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Poster: Liamfinnegan Date: Jan 9, 2007 9:47am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Did you know it was an all time version the minute it ended?

Sometimes you just know that what you just heard and witnessed was an all time version- you knew the instant it was over that people would be typing this song's version in years later- for me, the following come to mind

4/1/88 Deal I just kept getting higher and higher and higher and I knew it was special- many think it is one of the best (I would be glad to hear more from you)

4/6/82 Cold Rain and Snow Shakedown Street both set openers were instant classics in my mind- and indeed are still talked about in some circles as being best of versions - at least top 10.

7/7/89 Blow-Away Truly magical moment at JFK

That same show brings up the flip side of this question- what shows did you attend contained versions of songs that are now considered classics- or you now consider best of class- that did not sound that way to you when you were there

Case in point- Scralet-Fire from that same show- Found out later it was classic

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Poster: Robony Date: Jan 9, 2007 8:32am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Did you know it was an all time version the minute it ended?

Loser from 3/24/90. It was absolutely epic. I still can't believe it wasn't on the Dozin release.

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Poster: SDH2O Date: Jan 9, 2007 8:38am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Did you know it was an all time version the minute it ended?

Almost forgot that one. Agree with you both on the immensity of the song (was enough to even overcome my proximity at the time to 3 very drunk frat boys - apologies to any fraternity members in the audience, these guys gave you all bad name - who did everything in their power to stomp my buzz, thank god Jerry saved me) and how it was not included in the release. Good call.

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Poster: lobster12 Date: Jan 9, 2007 11:31am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Did you know it was an all time version the minute it ended?

nice call on this one.

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Jan 9, 2007 11:17am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Did you know it was an all time version the minute it ended?

Liam, just to concur - I would put the 4-1-88 Deal WAY up towards the top if not THE top.

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Poster: ghostofpig Date: Jan 9, 2007 10:58am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Did you know it was an all time version the minute it ended?

4-29-71 Hard to Handle


"Got to have it."

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Poster: dc2 Date: Jan 9, 2007 10:33am
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11/6/77 : The Mississippi Half-Step and Jack Straw were clearly unexpectedly great so early in the concert; the Morning Dew from 5/8/77 also was recognizable as superb. The Comes a Time from 12/5/71 seemed to suck when I was there. I can't believe how good it sounds to me now!

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Poster: lobster12 Date: Jan 9, 2007 10:50am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Did you know it was an all time version the minute it ended?

So many roads Shoreline 1994
Deal Shoreline Summer solstice 89

Interesting...Shoreline in both cases

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Poster: SDH2O Date: Jan 9, 2007 8:31am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Did you know it was an all time version the minute it ended?

For me it would have to be the Richmond "Gloria" in '85. Up to that point in the show, it was OK, but not remarkable in any way for me. I was with friends and the shrooms were agreeing with me, having a very good overall time. But when they busted out with Gloria, the place exploded and we all knew we were seeing something special. I was not surprised to see the show eventually show up as a DP, even though I don't feel the show as a whole is above the norm for the period.

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Jan 9, 2007 9:06am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Did you know it was an all time version the minute it ended?

I don't know enough to know if it was an all-time version or not, but I remember a wonderful, powerful Eyes of the World that evolved out of Seastones at the Alexandra Palace on 11 September 1974. It was the first time I ever heard it performed live, indeed it was my first ever Grateful Dead show. Some of the Ally Pally run came out as DP7 - but not that Eyes, so I guess I'll never hear it again, though I'd dearly love to. I've listened to a few others but nothing so far close to recapturing the joyous feeling of that first time.

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Poster: SDH2O Date: Jan 9, 2007 9:19am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Did you know it was an all time version the minute it ended?

You've hit on something I've always felt to be true. What may strike you as "Classic" or an "All Time Best" may not afffect anyone else in the same way, even folks who may have been at the same show. Yes, there are more generally accepted versions of songs that are considered the "Best", but that still leaves a large amount of room for a "Personal Best" and for me, when taking into account the total experience that is behind a Personal Best, I'll always take that over a general Best.

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Jan 9, 2007 9:27am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Did you know it was an all time version the minute it ended?

So true. It all comes down to whatever was going on in your head at the time. It really is all highly subjective, which is why I don't pay too much attention to what Earl B. satirised as the 'What's your favourite Dark Star?' posts.

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Poster: kschneid Date: Jan 9, 2007 9:23am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Did you know it was an all time version the minute it ended?

Don't despair:

http://db.etree.org/shows_showreviews.php?shows_key=65352

I didn't find any active torrents (only a quick look), but the show circulates...

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Jan 9, 2007 9:31am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Did you know it was an all time version the minute it ended?

That's good to know, that it's still out there somewhere! Thank you.

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Poster: Liamfinnegan Date: Jan 9, 2007 10:01am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Did you know it was an all time version the minute it ended?

There is a copy on sugarmegs.org

Try tela.sugarmegs.org/boxofrain after 9PM eastern standard time- I do not know if that is 3am or 2 am your time- from that point you can download for the next 12 hours-

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Jan 9, 2007 10:05am
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Thanks for that. Liam! I'll be sure to check it out first chance I get.

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Poster: dogsinapile! Date: Jan 9, 2007 10:48am
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I've got it on CDR. Don't recall the lineage right now, (I am at work and it is at home), but I remember it sounding great. You are right, that Seastones > Jam > Eyes is monumental. Contact me offlist and I would be happy to send you a copy.

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Jan 9, 2007 10:47am
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That is so very generous of you, Dogs. i'll be in touch.

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Poster: skuzzlebutt Date: Jan 9, 2007 9:33am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Did you know it was an all time version the minute it ended?

I guess the Merriweather '85 "Shakedown" would be my best example of this.

I never much trusted my knee-jerk reactions to songs, though. Sometimes,I would listen to the tape of something I had recalled as being particularly hot live and it just wouldn't quite make it, somehow (the tape of course could have something to do with it, but it would happen even when I heard it from a second or even third source). Then, occasionally, the opposite would happen- I'd be listening to a tape of a song or jam that I'd thought was sort of ho-hum while experiencing it firsthand, and I'd go "This is pretty hot after all...how did I miss this?"



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Poster: darkeyes Date: Jan 9, 2007 9:25am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Did you know it was an all time version the minute it ended?

10/5/94 Cumberland Blues plus my birthday and last.

93 Casey Jones break out!

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Poster: grendelschoice Date: Jan 9, 2007 9:34am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Did you know it was an all time version the minute it ended?

Hard to call it an all-time version since it was played fairly rarely, but when they broke out the first "Ballad of a Thin Man" in Hampton, I believe '86, though it could have been '87 or '88, they nailed it, and I knew it was an all-timer soon as it ended.

Ditto the "He's Gone", 'for Bobby Sands' that they did at Nassau '81 that ended up being released as a Dicks Picks. I just remember 14,000+ clapping in unison at one point, and the entire band/audience convergance, and soon as it ended, knowing it was an all-timer.

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Poster: gdave Date: Jan 9, 2007 11:08am
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10-5-94 was also my last show. Deal from that show also smoked!

Eyes and Bird Song from 3-29-90 are easy choices for this.

Shakedown 4-2-89

H>S>F 10-19-89

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Poster: BryanE Date: Jan 9, 2007 8:38am
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Only speaking from personal experience, mind you, the Scarlet>Fire, Sailor>Saint from the second set in St. Louis on 7/8/81 were, IMHO, phenomenal. Wharf Rat later in the set was probably the most dramatic and powerful thing I ever saw them do.

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Poster: Scrim Date: Jan 9, 2007 11:32am
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The 7-7-89 show at JFK was definiatly special! On a personal standpoint, and for the music.

Brent had been fine tuning his Blow Away since spring tour and he whipped out a mean one at this show. The boys weren't just backing him up, they were driving the intensity higher and higher and were really into it. When Brent told everyone to put their fist in the air, I turned around to watch (I think it was a 70k+ crowd) and it was a powerful moment. The crowd was intense.

Last show they played at JFK.